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[#98863] Written by: kernelkertz [14/07/2008, 10:14]
Quote by joedbone
are us marines really this thick and nasty?

...

btw, before you claim that they are heroes protecting your country, realise
that everyone knows the truth now - i.e. they are in somebody else's country to
steal their oil.


wtf!!!!!... there actually people that didn't know it then!!!! amazing.

i can hear mcnulty saying "the bigger the lie the more people are willing to
believe it"

s5 was great by the way.
[#98869] Written by: HotStuff2 [14/07/2008, 11:24]
i'm a "him". lol the term "hotstuff" comes from my eod (explosive ordinance
disposal) days, when the call was "hotstuff coming through!" so people would
make way to allow us to pass.

no, marines nor any other branch are really "like" that. the racism they were
showing is pure bs; he'd be getting his ass kicked in about .03 seconds by the
rest of the platoon. soldiers don't see any other color than green, and you
learn that in boot camp. i still don't see color (race-wise) to this day,
unless it's some gang-banger wanna-be (any skin color), then i just laugh
at 'em. the stealing from the people; well, the lt should have said something.
his lack of doing so is implicitly condoning his soldier's actions, and i'm
betting wll be a focal point later on. his covering up for the men who were
cooking illegally in their tent? now that was realistic. you cya and that of
your men. no commendations though; that comment was because the co *knew* the
lt was lying. lol

the part about them reading the little girl's letter bothered me; if that was
based on a real account, then every soldier who watches this should be ashamed
and outraged, as i was. i received many an anonymous letter from shool
children, and no matter who it's from, letters from america are welcome and
often read and re-read. it keeps the men in touch with why they're there and
what they have to go home to. making sexual comments about a 10(ish)-year-old
girl was just disgusting, and was simply pandering imho to the audience who
seems to "expect" that from soldier shows.

you can tell that these men have never been in a firefight or a conflict;
their eagerness shows their youth. war is not cool, and seeing your buddies
legs blown off is a sobering reality. having to carry your legless buddy
hundreds of yards to a medevac, which taking small-arms fire, makes you
realize you don't want to be there, and you don't want to be next. as for
the "shoot the dog" scene, that was actually common; iraqi soldiers would
force dogs to swallow grenades and/or ieds, and then remotely blow them when
the dogs got close to a group of soldiers who fed it. same with small
children. i saw both of those on several occassions. you learn to be very
distrustful of anything that moves.

but, it's definitely watchable. i agree, however, the characters are tired
cliches of what we see all the time in "military" shows.
[#98871] Written by: YourMomma59 [14/07/2008, 12:02]
Quote by hotstuff2
no, marines nor any other branch are really "like" that. the
racism they were showing is pure bs; he'd be getting his ass kicked in about .03
seconds by the rest of the platoon. soldiers don't see any other color than
green, and you learn that in boot camp.

did you watch "over there" when it was on? i loved that show. from what i've
heard of this one, i don't think i want to watch it.

i hate the war, but i support our real soldiers. from what i'm able to assess
of the navy guys where i live, a lot of them chose the life because they wanted
to get out of their little podunk town, out of poverty, because there were no
other jobs to be had, because they couldn't afford college. i know so many navy
guys who the think our president is a slimy, vermin idiot it's not funny.

the problem with our military is they are basically paid slaves. they aren't
allowed to speak out when they think the president is being an asshole and their
ability to function well as a unit requires them to do everything they are told.
consequently, if a jerk is leading them...you get my drift.

yes, i hate our country for conning weak-minded people into invading iraq, but
that's why our government treats it's citizens so badly (regarding health care,
making sure people have a roof over their heads and food to eat). if we were
all equal in our country, the power mongers would have no one to control and
they are too weak to survive on their own. it's not about oil, it's about the
greedy power elite and their fear of losing their power.
[#98880] Written by: HotStuff2 [14/07/2008, 15:12]
Quote by yourmomma59
i hate the war, but i support our real soldiers. from what
i'm able to assess of the navy guys where i live, a lot of them chose the life
because they wanted to get out of their little podunk town, out of poverty,
because there were no other jobs to be had, because they couldn't afford
college. i know so many navy guys who the think our president is a slimy,
vermin idiot it's not funny.

the problem with our military is they are basically paid slaves. they aren't
allowed to speak out when they think the president is being an asshole and
their ability to function well as a unit requires them to do everything they
are told. consequently, if a jerk is leading them...you get my drift.

yes, i hate our country for conning weak-minded people into invading iraq, but
that's why our government treats it's citizens so badly (regarding health care,
making sure people have a roof over their heads and food to eat). if we were
all equal in our country, the power mongers would have no one to control and
they are too weak to survive on their own. it's not about oil, it's about the
greedy power elite and their fear of losing their power.
no, i didn't
watch that. this one isn't bad, but it's some of the same old trite the
public "expects" to see.

lots of military men and women joined for the reasons you mentioned; so did i.
i ended up doing great things, and don't regret it for one second. i miss it
most days (fyi, i'm a disabled vet, and was medically discharged, as i broke
my back in a halo jump accident.) ever watch "black hawk down"? i was in the
second wave of rangers that went in that night, oct. 10 1993. that's where i
got my 2nd purple heart; i took shrapnet to my chest, which pierced my flak
vest and penetrated my lung. i pulled it out, patched myself up, and moved out
to cintinue the mission, like a good ranger should.

yes, bush is an idiot. he should never have one in the first place, much less
the second time. only the second president in the history of the us to lose
the popular vote, yet win the electorial college vote and get the
presidency. :rolleyes: obama doesn't have a shot; mccain does. forget race,
forget all that bs. mccain is pro-military, and that's why i support him. when
i was serving, we were poverty-level, even with base housing (which took
*forever* to get, and only after my first purple heart did i get pumped up the
list), and for what the lower enlisted do, the pay is far too low. one of the
many reasons i loved clinton; he was a great president (bjs or not), and he
supported pay increases for lower enlisted soldiers. i met him twice, shook
his hand both times, and he genuinely cared about hearing what the soldiers
had to say.

but i digress, and this is way off topic.
[#98892] Written by: timothycrash [14/07/2008, 17:24]
@ joedbone: while these guys fight in a volunteer army, but under *orders* from
their superiors, you get to jack off at the computer, downloading free tv shows
from the internet - all in the comfort of your mom's basement. if you have a
problem with the war, get off your lazy ass and do something about it...jackass.
oh ya, brother, there are many things you could be doing other than condemning
the soldiers in this war on a message board.

some people's kids.
[#98904] Written by: Andysays [14/07/2008, 18:15]
[#98906] Written by: Andysays [14/07/2008, 18:17]
Quote by hotstuff2
obama doesn't have a shot; mccain does.
forget race,
forget all that bs. mccain is pro-military, and that's why i support him. when
i was serving, we were poverty-level, even with base housing (which took
*forever* to get, and only after my first purple heart did i get pumped up the
list), and for what the lower enlisted do, the pay is far too low. one of the
many reasons i loved clinton; he was a great president (bjs or not), and he
supported pay increases for lower enlisted soldiers. i met him twice, shook
his hand both times, and he genuinely cared about hearing what the soldiers
had to say.

but i digress, and this is way off topic.


those paying attention know that mccain does not support the military (at least
not in his votes in the senate), and just last week he got called on this by a
vet in colorado. in response to this vet, mccain lied about his vet voting
record several times. but like bush said one, you have to repeat things (lies)
several times to "catapult the propaganda."

and if obama has "no chance," why is he leading in every poll by well over the
margin of error? mccain is a terrible candidate. he's lucky that the media
love him so much that they ignore much (all though not all) of his ineptitude.

[#98963] Written by: Billy Nick [15/07/2008, 04:18]
it's a shame that a tv show can generate so much hatred towards soldiers who
risk their lives to do what they are doing. they don't have a choice what wars
to go into or what country they are sent to, they go because they are told.
imagine america or britain with soldiers who pick and choose what wars or
countries they go to.

i am a brit and i am against the war in iraq but i am 100% in support of
british and american troops over there. if people want to slag anyone off they
should be slagging off the polititions and not the soldiers that are risking
their lives for doing their jobs.
[#98967] Written by: HotStuff2 [15/07/2008, 05:13]
just a message to billy: when i was in iraq and somalia, i had the extreme
pleasure of working with several british sas soldiers. regardless of the
country, they were our brothers, and we looked out for each other (heck, we
got drunk after hours on more than one occassion lol.) great bunch of guys,
tough as hell, and man, could they drink!
[#98970] Written by: joedbone [15/07/2008, 05:40]
to be honest, i wasn\'t condemning anyone, just taking the piss out of the
crassness of the show..

i was surprised not to get many more responses like timothycrash, though.

for the record, nobody in iraq is doing my job - be they islamic extremists,
occupying imperialist armies or civilians - i\'m a commie, so i want world
revolution to smash capitalism - and i don\'t want the world dragged back to
feudal times by the fundamentalists on either side...

the show got better towards the end though, didn\'t it?
[#99118] Written by: kernelkertz [16/07/2008, 09:32]
Quote by billy nick
it\\\\\\\'s a shame that a tv show can generate so much hatred
towards soldiers who
risk their lives to do what they are doing. they don\\\\\\\'t have a choice what
wars
to go into or what country they are sent to, they go because they are told.
imagine america or britain with soldiers who pick and choose what wars or
countries they go to.

i am a brit and i am against the war in iraq but i am 100% in support of
british and american troops over there. if people want to slag anyone off they
should be slagging off the polititions and not the soldiers that are risking
their lives for doing their jobs.


the soldiers are only doing what they are trained to do. except for some.
it takes far more courage to say "sir, no, sir!" than to blindly follow orders
imho. the winter soldiers are my heroes.

http://www.sirnosir.com/ - great film
[#99268] Written by: mcbrite [17/07/2008, 23:43]
Quote by bullman
Quote by misanthropist
yeah this is gonna be thruthful and
realistic tv, as we all
know there is no
censorship in the usofamerica. at least there\'s gonna be swearing.
congraqtulations on your medals for killing and stuff, hotstuff2.


congrats on attempting to abuse the people protecting your country, you fat
nerd


well, isn't the purple heart for getting wounded? sounds to me more like a
consolation-prize... ;-d
[#99269] Written by: mcbrite [17/07/2008, 23:50]
Quote by joedbone
are us marines really this thick and nasty?

guess so.

now you know why the world loves you so much, usa.

btw, before you claim that they are heroes protecting your country, realise
that everyone knows the truth now - i.e. they are in somebody else's country
to
steal their oil.


you obviously never watched liveleak... ;-d
[#99492] Written by: Rapax [20/07/2008, 23:50]
Quote by hotstuff2

it was about as "realistic" as it'll get for tv, even hbo. heck, they didn't
have a single ied go off during the entire time the convoy was rolling. i saw
plenty of those, and i know my boys over there right now see them every day.


the series is based on the real events when 1st recon entered iraq in 2003. i
think the embedded author and marines would have noticed if an ied had gone off
and mentioned it in the book. besides, why should there be an ied when they had
barely even entered iraq? ieds became a daily occurance once the occupation
started, not right at the start of the invasion. there's nothing unrealistic
about that.
[#100213] Written by: demondiablo [28/07/2008, 08:32]
Quote by hotstuff2
obama doesn't have a shot; mccain does.
forget race,
forget all that bs. mccain is pro-military, and that's why i support him. when
i was serving, we were poverty-level, even with base housing (which took
*forever* to get, and only after my first purple heart did i get pumped up the
list), and for what the lower enlisted do, the pay is far too low. one of the
many reasons i loved clinton; he was a great president (bjs or not), and he
supported pay increases for lower enlisted soldiers. i met him twice, shook
his hand both times, and he genuinely cared about hearing what the soldiers
had to say.

but i digress, and this is way off topic.


Quote by andysays
those paying attention know that mccain does not support the
military (at least
not in his votes in the senate), and just last week he got called on this by a
vet in colorado. in response to this vet, mccain lied about his vet voting
record several times. but like bush said one, you have to repeat things (lies)
several times to "catapult the propaganda."

and if obama has "no chance," why is he leading in every poll by well over the
margin of error? mccain is a terrible candidate. he's lucky that the media
love him so much that they ignore much (all though not all) of his ineptitude.



i'm a little late to comment here but i just wanted to say that i agree with
you. when i read hotstuffs comments i dont believe i could've found a more
disillusioned person of the facts. fact is obama has a better voting record
with supporting the troops than mccain does. fact is obama is more supported
and endorsed by military advisment committees than mccain is.

your doing yourself a great disservice if you think that just because mccain is
a veteran like you, that he sympathises more with you than obama does. do
yourself a favor and stop assuming and do some research on the matter.

that said i just watched ep 1 and 2 and am now dl'ing 3. i thought they were
both pretty good episodes. i think when viewing though you have to take
everything with a grain of salt. nothing is a %100 accurate. hbo gots bills to
pay after all.
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