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[#22035] Written by: mavhc [13/03/2007, 02:58]
is that people with lots of money don\'t want to have to spend any more,
because
they really need that gold bathtub this month, not next.

anyway, www.jri.org.uk/index.php?
option=com_content&task=view&id=137&itemid=83 debunks this show

see also: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/the_great_global_warming_swindle
[#22036] Written by: mavhc [13/03/2007, 02:59]
crazy site, try this: jri.org.uk/index.php?
option=com_content&task=view&id=137&itemid=83

no line break really of course
[#22037] Written by: death734 [13/03/2007, 03:02]
desc: "are you green? how many flights have you taken in the last year?
feeling guilty about all those unnecessary car journeys? well, maybe there's no
need to feel bad.
according to a group of scientists brought together by documentary-maker martin
durkin, if the planet is heating up, it isn't your fault and there's nothing you
can do about it.
we've almost begun to take it for granted that climate change is a man-made
phenomenon. but just as the environmental lobby think they've got our attention,
a group of naysayers have emerged to slay the whole premise of global warming."
[#22038] Written by: kaldak [13/03/2007, 03:08]
please folks, dont believe this crap. record breaking co2 levels quite simply
cant be good for our civilization. i'm suprised this "documentary" found an
outlet other than fox news...
[#22041] Written by: crimson [13/03/2007, 03:20]
lol there are so many errors in this _documentation_ its ridiculous

btw count the "hundrets" of _scientists_ that don
[#22043] Written by: rymboy [13/03/2007, 03:27]
oh come on, don't tell me you believe that other hippie crap? i'd stick to this
documentary any day than that al gore shit. you people clearly have no idea how
many billions already have been funneled into lowering co2 levels and what a
minimal impact it has had. money that could have been used for schooling or
housing projects. (or heck, just anything other than putting in in some phantom
idea that you can magically save earth.) please, global warming is a scam. it's
been proven the earth's temperature has fluctuated in the past, only now that
humans are smart enough to record and notice do we think it's immediately our
fault; sure we might have had a small part in it, but it's mostly nature. *sigh*
[#22044] Written by: rymboy [13/03/2007, 03:28]
Quote by crimson
lol there are so many errors in this _documentation_ its
ridiculous

btw count the "hundrets" of _scientists_ that don
[#22045] Written by: realjjj [13/03/2007, 03:37]
damn bush voters (and yeah that's an insult)
anyway i have a question: why the hell was this released?
[#22048] Written by: crimson [13/03/2007, 03:43]
Quote by channel_dunlap
Quote by rymboy
oh just because they're funded by the
american government makes
them unreliable?

it makes it much more likely, yes. it's more the fact that they're funded by
the [until recently] mostly-republican us government, performing a study that
could produce results that would impact corporations. republicans and
corporations are notorious for scratching each other's back.



nothing to add there

[#22052] Written by: crimson [13/03/2007, 03:49]
Quote by n3l87
there are many many possible ways that we could
end up killing our selves and our own planet, and the main one is religion.
while the naive people are fighting about whether global warming is real or not,
and whether we caused it or not, there are multiple wars being faught in
multiple countries about religion. and that will be our downfall, not 'global
warming'.


yea true ! lets think about know ! who gives a crap about the future generations
!!!!!!!!!

lol ...
[#22055] Written by: Deznaj [13/03/2007, 03:57]
quote rymboy: "you people clearly have no idea how many billions already have
been funneled into lowering co2 levels and what a minimal impact it has had.
money that could have been used for schooling or housing projects. (or heck,
just anything other than putting in in some phantom idea that you can
magically save earth.)"

actually no, not that much money has been put into this. especially not by the
usa. if money is your most important issue you are a. stupid, and b.
shortsighted. what about other 'scams' like the war in iraq, which is costing
billions a day? and what is that giving us except maybe a big more oil for our
suv's?

quote rymboy: "please, global warming is a scam. it's been proven the earth's
temperature has fluctuated in the past, only now that humans are smart enough
to record and notice do we think it's immediately our fault; sure we might
have had a small part in it, but it's mostly nature. *sigh*"

do you know what fluctuation means? it means movement around a baseline. it
gets a bit warmer, it gets a bit colder, but there is an average baseline. the
last century it has just gotten warmer, no fluctuation whatsowever. things are
heating up at a rate that will give trouble for some people in some countries
at some point in the future. but why the hell would an american citizen worry
about that? as long as he/she can keep up her decadent lifestyle and die of
obesity or some sort of 'deluxe' cancer while using up as many recources as
possible.

maybe this is not about global warming at all, maybe it is about common sense.
the sense that something has to change, that we as a species can better
ourselves. but some people never will, they won't even see it.

stupid show with random facts by the way...
[#22060] Written by: WoodfordSlim [13/03/2007, 04:09]
anybody who doesnt beliebve that the amount of co2 that we pump into the air
doesnt have an effect is a moron, we can clearly prove that co2 levels in the
world today are vastly higher than they have ever got to naturally, greenland
is on the verge of melting and will put large swaves of the world underwater,
such as florida, for all you americans who dont realise the world continues
beyond your borders.

and i suppose if you dont believe in global warming then the massivley
increasing ashtma rates as well as other illnesses in children is also just a
way to get you to somehow spend money.
[#22061] Written by: crimson [13/03/2007, 04:15]
beside that

rising levels of carbon dioxide will have wide-ranging impacts on the world's
oceans regardless of climate change, reports a study published in the march 9,
2007, issue of the journal geophysical research letters

news.mongabay.com/2007/0308-oceans.html


so even if you don
[#22069] Written by: crimson [13/03/2007, 04:43]
Quote by n3l87

not to mention that they only until recently thought to check out the co2
levels. so before then, there are close to no records of actual scientific data
to prove that this "global warming" is nothing more then a natural occurance for
our planet. for all we know, if you believe in this kind of thing, it could be
mother nature's way of cleaning the slate of a sickness.


first of all, n1 comment but (there it is argl) no facts ? not true :


ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html#intro noaa's global warming faq

you might read environmentaldefense.org/page.cfm?tagid=1011 as well


especially

myth: global warming is just part of a natural cycle. the arctic has warmed up
in the past.

fact: the global warming we are experiencing is not natural. people are causing it.

people are causing global warming by burning fossil fuels (like oil, coal
and natural gas) and cutting down forests. scientists have shown that these
activities are pumping far more co2 into the atmosphere than was ever released
in hundreds of thousands of years. this buildup of co2 is the biggest cause of
global warming. since 1895, scientists have known that co2 and other greenhouse
gases trap heat and warm the earth. as the warming has intensified over the past
three decades, scientific scrutiny has increased along with it. scientists have
considered and ruled out other, natural explanations such as sunlight, volcanic
eruptions and cosmic rays. (ipcc 2001)

though natural amounts of co2 have varied from 180 to 300 parts per million
(ppm), today's co2 levels are around 380 ppm. that's 25% more than the highest
natural levels over the past 650,000 years. increased co2 levels have
contributed to periods of higher average temperatures throughout that long
record. (boden, carbon dioxide information analysis center)

as for previous arctic warming, it is true that there were stretches of warm
periods over the arctic earlier in the 20th century. the limited records
available for that time period indicate that the warmth did not affect as many
areas or persist from year to year as much as the current warmth. but that
episode, however warm it was, is not relevant to the issue at hand. why? for
one, a brief regional trend does not discount a longer global phenomenon.

we know that the planet has been warming over the past several decades and
arctic ice has been melting persistently. and unlike the earlier periods of
arctic warmth, there is no expectation that the current upward trend in arctic
temperatures will reverse; the rising concentrations of greenhouse gases will
prevent that from happening.




people really should stop saying there are no facts for man made global warming
[#22072] Written by: rymboy [13/03/2007, 05:04]
Quote by deznaj
quote rymboy: "you people clearly have no idea how many billions
already have
been funneled into lowering co2 levels and what a minimal impact it has had.
money that could have been used for schooling or housing projects. (or heck,
just anything other than putting in in some phantom idea that you can
magically save earth.)"

actually no, not that much money has been put into this. especially not by the
usa. if money is your most important issue you are a. stupid, and b.
shortsighted. what about other 'scams' like the war in iraq, which is costing
billions a day? and what is that giving us except maybe a big more oil for our
suv's?

quote rymboy: "please, global warming is a scam. it's been proven the earth's
temperature has fluctuated in the past, only now that humans are smart enough
to record and notice do we think it's immediately our fault; sure we might
have had a small part in it, but it's mostly nature. *sigh*"

do you know what fluctuation means? it means movement around a baseline. it
gets a bit warmer, it gets a bit colder, but there is an average baseline. the
last century it has just gotten warmer, no fluctuation whatsowever. things are
heating up at a rate that will give trouble for some people in some countries
at some point in the future. but why the hell would an american citizen worry
about that? as long as he/she can keep up her decadent lifestyle and die of
obesity or some sort of 'deluxe' cancer while using up as many recources as
possible.

maybe this is not about global warming at all, maybe it is about common sense.
the sense that something has to change, that we as a species can better
ourselves. but some people never will, they won't even see it.

stupid show with random facts by the way...




oh please, i'm not even american. i'm dutch and by money i meant the eu, and yes
it is billions and still counting. i can't do anything about the war in iraq and
i can't stop it. though you can't compare this at all, you can at least see
those billions funneled in iraq (and no i don't condone war) at work, be that
war be that 'rebuilding iraq' (i know you don't believe that anyway cause
america is the big bad demon). the billions funneled into 'global warming' leads
to nothing whatsoever.

and really i don't need you to tell me what fluctuate means. maybe because of
industry it's just getting warmer than normally (cause as i said i don't
disagree that humans do play a part in it all) and eventually it wil lower
again. i don't know and i'm pretty sure that you don't either.

americans always get blamed for everything it's just annoying, i don't even
consider that as an argument anymore. "americans don't want to change their
lifestyle" or that they use up more resources than any other country. it's not
all their fault, american city's lie miles apart, they have no other means of
transportation than by car. also, europeans are just as bad as them, do britains
radically change their lifestyle? germans? the dutch? no. none of us do. and
because you, a single individual do, you can't use that as an argument because
a. nobody cares. b. it doesn't have an impact on the world or help those some
people in those some countries.