quote rymboy: "you people clearly have no idea how many billions
already have
been funneled into lowering co2 levels and what a minimal impact it has had.
money that could have been used for schooling or housing projects. (or heck,
just anything other than putting in in some phantom idea that you can
magically save earth.)"
actually no, not that much money has been put into this. especially not by the
usa. if money is your most important issue you are a. stupid, and b.
shortsighted. what about other 'scams' like the war in iraq, which is costing
billions a day? and what is that giving us except maybe a big more oil for our
suv's?
quote rymboy: "please, global warming is a scam. it's been proven the earth's
temperature has fluctuated in the past, only now that humans are smart enough
to record and notice do we think it's immediately our fault; sure we might
have had a small part in it, but it's mostly nature. *sigh*"
do you know what fluctuation means? it means movement around a baseline. it
gets a bit warmer, it gets a bit colder, but there is an average baseline. the
last century it has just gotten warmer, no fluctuation whatsowever. things are
heating up at a rate that will give trouble for some people in some countries
at some point in the future. but why the hell would an american citizen worry
about that? as long as he/she can keep up her decadent lifestyle and die of
obesity or some sort of 'deluxe' cancer while using up as many recources as
possible.
maybe this is not about global warming at all, maybe it is about common sense.
the sense that something has to change, that we as a species can better
ourselves. but some people never will, they won't even see it.
stupid show with random facts by the way...
oh please, i'm not even american. i'm dutch and by money i meant the eu, and yes
it is billions and still counting. i can't do anything about the war in iraq and
i can't stop it. though you can't compare this at all, you can at least see
those billions funneled in iraq (and no i don't condone war) at work, be that
war be that 'rebuilding iraq' (i know you don't believe that anyway cause
america is the big bad demon). the billions funneled into 'global warming' leads
to nothing whatsoever.
and really i don't need you to tell me what fluctuate means. maybe because of
industry it's just getting warmer than normally (cause as i said i don't
disagree that humans do play a part in it all) and eventually it wil lower
again. i don't know and i'm pretty sure that you don't either.
americans always get blamed for everything it's just annoying, i don't even
consider that as an argument anymore. "americans don't want to change their
lifestyle" or that they use up more resources than any other country. it's not
all their fault, american city's lie miles apart, they have no other means of
transportation than by car. also, europeans are just as bad as them, do britains
radically change their lifestyle? germans? the dutch? no. none of us do. and
because you, a single individual do, you can't use that as an argument because
a. nobody cares. b. it doesn't have an impact on the world or help those some
people in those some countries.
Quote by deznaj
quote rymboy: "you people clearly have no idea how many billions already have
been funneled into lowering co2 levels and what a minimal impact it has had.
money that could have been used for schooling or housing projects. (or heck,
just anything other than putting in in some phantom idea that you can
magically save earth.)"
actually no, not that much money has been put into this. especially not by the
usa. if money is your most important issue you are a. stupid, and b.
shortsighted. what about other 'scams' like the war in iraq, which is costing
billions a day? and what is that giving us except maybe a big more oil for our
suv's?
quote rymboy: "please, global warming is a scam. it's been proven the earth's
temperature has fluctuated in the past, only now that humans are smart enough
to record and notice do we think it's immediately our fault; sure we might
have had a small part in it, but it's mostly nature. *sigh*"
do you know what fluctuation means? it means movement around a baseline. it
gets a bit warmer, it gets a bit colder, but there is an average baseline. the
last century it has just gotten warmer, no fluctuation whatsowever. things are
heating up at a rate that will give trouble for some people in some countries
at some point in the future. but why the hell would an american citizen worry
about that? as long as he/she can keep up her decadent lifestyle and die of
obesity or some sort of 'deluxe' cancer while using up as many recources as
possible.
maybe this is not about global warming at all, maybe it is about common sense.
the sense that something has to change, that we as a species can better
ourselves. but some people never will, they won't even see it.
stupid show with random facts by the way...
[#22074]
Written by: crimson [13/03/2007, 05:10]
how about we just ignore rymboy comment, skip it and get back to topic we may
discuss iraq war when there comes a _documentation_ that there is no iraq war
and its all a hoax ...
[#22075]
Written by: Boggibill [13/03/2007, 05:12]
first of all. the global warming is a scam!
no when that's said. i wan't to point out something else.
one of the ppl who lives in my school campus area turns of the light on the
kitchen all the time. for some reason she just have to do it. to protect the
enviroment she says.
then she wonders off feeling well because earth is going to survive one more day
she thinks...
well let me tell you something: ( btw i have tried telling her this, but for
some reason i doesn't seem to reach her:( )
first off all, we are a pretty small country with about 5 million habitants, and
maybe a million appartments. so turning off the light in one apartment (on the
kitchen) is saves maybe 10% of the power of one apartment. (since heating
apartment takes much more power then a stupid light ball does.)
meaning: 0.1/1 000 000 = 0.00000001 less power usage in norway..
this really helps on the enviroment! yay.
and now i havent mentioned the heavy industri, which consumes much much more
power then a regular apartment does.
so what does this do... well it only makes the light ball burn out much faster,
which again will poison this earth. and makes me confused because i have to turn
on the light everytime i want to go and make me some food (which is quite often).
and the most ironic part of all of this is. allmost everything in norway is
powered by wather power, which again does not posion this world.
and due to the fact that we don't pay any extra for the power where we live,
makes me just think of her as very stupid!...
i just had to say this
[#22076]
Written by: joeymac [13/03/2007, 05:13]
Quote by woodfordslim
anybody who doesnt beliebve that the amount of co2
that we pump into the air
doesnt have an effect is a moron, we can clearly prove that co2 levels in the
world today are vastly higher than they have ever got to naturally, greenland
is on the verge of melting and will put large swaves of the world underwater,
such as florida, for all you americans who dont realise the world continues
beyond your borders.
and i suppose if you dont believe in global warming then the massivley
increasing ashtma rates as well as other illnesses in children is also just a
way to get you to somehow spend money.
"we can clearly prove that co2 levels in the world today are vastly higher than
they have ever got to naturally" jesus christ!! read a book! that is so utterly
wrong.
some actual facts.........
"co2 as a
[#22078]
Written by: rymboy [13/03/2007, 05:20]
how about we just ignore you crimson. please, i'm not even debating a war here.
i don't give a damn about iraq
[#22079]
Written by: crimson [13/03/2007, 05:21]
Quote by rymboy
i don't give a damn about iraq
so you agree with me that you are an ignorant retard, for not caring about a war
and people dying ?
[#22081]
Written by: rymboy [13/03/2007, 05:24]
was it me or just 1 minute ago you didn't want to debate this war? no i'm not an
ignorant retard nothing's going to change whether i do or do not care about the
war; sure it's bad people are dying there, i can't do anything about it. i'm not
going to waste my time protesting or complaining, please.
[#22086]
Written by: kephunk [13/03/2007, 05:35]
for an opposing view (that there are people skewing the results of research for
the benefit of big businesses such as oil and energy companies) check out the
cbc program "the fifth estate" - "the denial machine"
mininova.org/tor/496336
hear the views of both sides, then make your decision.
[#22087]
Written by: Shimonu [13/03/2007, 05:38]
dihydrogren monoxide... you could have just said h20 or water. or were you
trying to sound cool?
i don't really see where you are going with that "dihydrogren monoxide" is
dangerous in large doses? yes you die from it if you drink large amount without
visiting the restroom for quite some time, but it is not lethal otherwise.
taken from wikipedia: dihydrogen monoxide (dhmo) is a scientific name for water
that is relatively unknown to most of the public, used in hoaxes that illustrate
how the lack of scientific knowledge and an exaggerated analysis can lead to
misplaced fears. "di" meaning two, and "mono" meaning single, describes how
water is made up of two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom.
[#22088]
Written by: realjjj [13/03/2007, 05:45]
Quote by santabj
fact: co2 is a terrible green house gas. terrible in the sense
that it isn't a
very efficient one.
fact: humanity is directly responsible for a ridiculously low percentage of the
total volume of co2 released into the atmosphere compared to what the warming
alarmists would have us believe.
fact: the greenland icesheet has *grown* in volume in the past decades.
fact: the temperature on earth has varied more dramatically than this in the
past.
fact: the humanity-caused global warming theory ignores historical evidence
(little ice age, temperature drop during the most heavily industrialized
periods, ice core samples showing an inverse relationship between co2 levels in
the atmosphere and temperature changes compared to what the theory suggests)
and proponents of it has been known to simply falsify evidence to support their
claims (ref "the hockey stick graph", which is simply *false*).
should i go on? i'm getting sick and tired of this argument. the basic truth is
this - the scientific community, whatever the fuck that really means, seems to
have accepted that they have an answer; when they don't even know what the hell
the question is in the first place. scientific theory *needs* to fit the known
facts; this one doesn't. it simply doesn't make sense. it is clear that there
is a warming going on, but the chances that it's directly caused by human
emissions and pollution are slim. there is absolutely *no evidence* to suggest
that the warming is anything but a natural variation. instead of hyping these
ridiculous claims, the scientists of the world should instead focus on the two
*real* issues - the basic research here, what is *really* going on, and (last
but not least?) preparing for the consequences (rather than making futile
attempts to stopping them from ever happening).
until now i liked eztv but u are an idiot
too bad science isn't based on facts
that beeing said i'm done with eztv with such admins it has no future
[#22089]
Written by: landaishan [13/03/2007, 05:48]
time to write your essays boys
insert essays here
by boggibill:
seriously, it is obvious that we are causing global warming. after thinking
about it for a while it kinda make sense. and this is very, very good. and here
is why:
first of all. i have to ask you, have you ever seen a polar bear? they are huge
and horribly scary. in a place called svalbard they have begun to die out, and
that is good. now, we don't need to be afraid of getting killed and eaten by
these hideous animals anymore every time we go to bed.
but then again, i don't live there so i don't really care about the polar bears.
and this is exactly the reason all of you anti-global warming idiots want to
stop this process of making the world a better place.
now let me tell you something (and this is a fact).
here where i live, we can have 3 meters with snow in a winter, and personally i
would like to see that go away. with global warming, we actually have a chance,
now we have found a way to prevent snow in the winter, and cold winters of course.
now when this is said. i would recommend everyone to start poisoning this world,
and help us turn up the heat here in north norway. give us some god damn long
sought for heat!
ps!
i bet you people against global warming like to think about babies freezing to
death!! you should be ashamed of yourself.
[#22092]
Written by: Boggibill [13/03/2007, 05:54]
Quote by realjjj
until now i liked eztv but u are an idiot
too bad science isn't based on facts
that beeing said i'm done with eztv with such admins it has no future
shit, we just lost a leecher
[#22093]
Written by: kicksumass [13/03/2007, 05:57]
totally agree with you kephunk.
now if we stop cows from farting,piss on all the volcanos and extinguish them
and we all stop breathing out co2 then what a wonderful world this would be.:)
most of the furore is,once again,media led...remember a short while ago 4" of
snow in the middle of winter warranted the bbc to send up a helicopter to show
us brits aerial pictures.wow...with other looney groups,sorry
environmentalists giving out warnings of gloom and doom and then there are
governments(in particular the uk government)jumping at the opportunity to
stealth tax everything in sight irrespective of any dubious beneficial effects
on the quantity of co2 emmissions,just to fill the black hole in gordon
brown's mismanagement.however that's another story.
just remember that in spite of a long-term ice age millions of years ago,and a
direct hit from a missile from out there,life goes on.
[#22098]
Written by: gazza1969 [13/03/2007, 06:05]
if you have any doubt that human being actions affect the climate,why not take
a holiday in new zealand next summer.thanks to the governments of countries
like the usa, we now have a cavernous whole in the ozone layer
above "godzone".with burn times as little as 7 minutes and the highest
instance of skin cancer on the planet,i doubt frodo would be spending so much
time out walking in the sun!!
[#22101]
Written by: sphoo [13/03/2007, 06:13]
to summarise then:
1. global warming bad/not our fault/not real?
2. america bad/good/irrelevant?
3. iraq war bad?
after 3 pages of posts may i be the first to say thanks eztv for the release.
has michael moore done a documentary on global warming yet? i'll just agree
with whatever he says he must know the right answer... *sigh*
we may
